Job 38:1-7      Does Science Trump God?

Rev. David Holwick   Z                          I Believe in God, But...

First Baptist Church

Ledgewood, New Jersey

July 30, 2017

                                                Job 38:1-7, Genesis 6:11-14


                  DOES SCIENCE TRUMP GOD?



  I. Science is big.

      A. Consider some of the huge projects under way right now.

          1) The Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland.

              a) It is the biggest machine in the world.

              b) It is a ring 17 miles in diameter bored through solid

                    rock, with 1,600 magnets cooled to -271.3 centigrade,

                       which is colder than outer space.

              c) All this is to smoosh subatomic particles together

                    and discover what the smallest parts of matter

                       are made of.

              d) Its greatest achievement so far is the confirmation

                    of the properties of the Higgs Boson, something

                       that apparently didnt exist when I took high

                          school physics in the 1970s.

              e) All this, for a cost of only $13.25 billion.

          2) The Webb Space Telescope.

              a) It is slated to launch one year from now.

              b) Its mirror is seven times larger than Hubbles.

              c) Instead of being in a normal orbit, the telescope will

                    be almost 1 million miles from Earth.

              d) Originally it was going to launch in 2011 at a cost of

                    $1.6 billion, but it has been delayed 7 years and

                       the cost has ballooned to almost $9 billion.

          3) Space programs.

              a) In the 1960s, we spent 4% of our Gross National Product

                    to get to the moon.

              b) Today, the nation of India is spending only $68 million

                    to put a miniature rover on the Moon.

              c) Even private companies are going into space.


      B. Science had a big impact on my early life.

          1) Before I became a believer at age 17, I would say that

                science was my religion.

          2) I loved the marvels revealed by science, and still do.

          3) I believe that if you are a Christian, and dont appreciate

                science, then you really cant appreciate God.

              a) The God of the Bible has revealed himself in the

                    natural world.

              b) By studying nature, we expand our knowledge of God.

              c) Yet for all we learn, there is much we still wont

                    understand.

                  1> Gods rebuke of Job in chapter 38 is meant to keep

                        us humble.


II. Christians have long been uneasy with science.

      A. It has often been an adversarial relationship.

          1) The Scopes Monkey Trial and Galileos heresy trial by the

                Inquisition are famous confrontations.

          2) In the minds of many, science and religion cant mix.

              a) Most major scientists today are atheists.

              b) A tiny number are Bible believers like us.


      B. Many skeptics resist the Bible because of scientific problems.

          1) They may believe in God but they have difficulty accepting

                his Book.

          2) Issues like a divine creation of the world, the sun

                standing still in Joshua, Jonah being swallowed by

                   a big fish, and a flood that covers the whole world

                      are stumbling blocks to many modern people.

          3) The world tries hard to shut out our viewpoint.


               Just this month, geologist Andrew Snelling dropped

                  his lawsuit against Grand Canyon National Park.

               Snelling is a young-earth creationist who is director

                  of research for Answers in Genesis, the same group

                     that has the Creation Museum in Kentucky.

               He had sued because the Park would not let him do

                  research because of his religious views.

               The lawsuit was dropped when they allowed him in.      [1]


III. A test case - how should you handle Noahs Ark and the Great Flood?

      A. It is a universally known story from the Bible.

          1) Humans had become corrupt, so God decided to wipe them out.

          2) One family was saved: Noah and his sons and their spouses.

          3) They built an ark and brought on animals two-by-two.

              a) Kids love this part.

              b) Our own grandson has a wooden ark but the animals

                    tend to be one-by-one due to attrition.

          4) Then the rain falls, the world is flooded, bad humans all

                die.

              a) (We dont tend to emphasize this with kids.)

          5) The waters eventually recede and Noah and his family

                repoplulate the earth.


      B. Scientifically it presents great problems.

          1) Where do you get enough water to cover every mountain?

          2) How could representatives from all the animals fit on the

                ark?

              a) This is especially difficult if dinosaurs are added

                    to the mix, as many young-earth creationists believe.

          3) If it happened only a few thousand years ago, how do you

                explain the widespread distribution of humans today,

                   and the evidence of human cultures on most continents

                      going back thousands of years?


IV. The main approaches to the text.

      A. Purely literal.  It is often called the fundamentalist approach.

          1) Noah was a real person who lived thousands of years ago.

              a) Jesus himself refers to Noah as a historical figure.

          2) The flood affected the entire world.

              a) When Genesis 6:13 says God is going to put an end to

                    all people, it means everyone on planet Earth.

              b) When 7:19 says all the high mountains were covered by

                    water, this includes Mount Everest.

          3) Where would all this water come from?

              a) It was not just rain, but also great springs in

                    the ocean.

              b) Supporters of this literal view see support in research

                    done in 2014, which showed that the zone between the

                       Earths mantle and crust could contain 2 to 3

                          times as much water as all the oceans.      [2]

              c) How this water came up, or went back down, is not

                    explained.

          4) How would all those animals fit on the ark?

              a) One website notes that every kind of animal was included

                    and this is a broader term than species.

              b) On a conservative estimate, it comes to 16,000 animals.

                  1> The ark was quite large (1.5 million cubit feet),

                        and could accommodate this many.

                  2> Even 50,000 animals would take up only 1/3 of the

                        space in the ark, if they average sheep-size.

          5) This view may have the most scientific problems, but its

                proponents believe there are reasonable answers, and it

                   handles the text in the most straightforward way.


      B. Purely figurative.  More liberal Christians prefer this.

          1) The story of Noah is a parable or myth.

              a) The parable of the Prodigal Son or the Good Samaritan

                    were stories rather than real-life events, but

                       we still gain truth from them.

          2) Noah didnt really exist, but the story contains important

                truths about humans and our relations with God and

                   animals, told in a dramatic manner.

          3) Any science behind it is immaterial because it is just

                fiction.


  V. A middle path is gaining popularity.

      A. Many Evangelicals approach the flood as largely literal.

          1) Noah really existed and the Flood really happened, but

                it was limited in scope rather than global.

          2) The world all in the Bible is often used as hyperbole.

              a) For example, the Apostle Paul says in Colossians 1:6

                    that the gospel is bearing fruit all over the world.

              b) Romans 1:8 says that the faith of the Christians in

                    Rome was also being reported all over the world.

                  1> This was in the first century, when Christians

                        numbered a few tens of thousands.

                  2> England and Germany were in the Roman Empire and

                        Paul knew this, but few think he thought that

                           these areas already knew about Christianity.

              c) Therefore all in Genesis 6 and 7 doesnt have to

                    apply to every human and every mountain.

                  1> No Asians or Africans are mentioned in the

                        Table of Nations that follows the Flood story.

                  2> And one group, the Nephilim, are mentioned before

                        the flood (Gen 6:4) and after it (Num 13:33)

                           so they would seem to be survivors along

                              with Noahs family.

                  3> Christian scholar Bernard Ramm says Noah was

                        referring to the scope of his own world, the

                           world that Abraham came into.              [3]


      B. Tim Keller is a noted Evangelical in Manhattan.


         In one of his books he writes:


         I believe Noahs flood happened, but that it was a regional

             flood, not a world-wide flood.

          On the one hand, those who insist on it being a world-wide

             flood seem to ignore too much the scientific evidence

                that there was no such thing.

          On the other hand, those who insist that it was a legend

             seem to ignore too much the trustworthiness of the

                Scripture.


         After Genesis 1, the rest of Genesis reads like historical

             narrative.

          If, it is asked, what of the Biblical assertions that the

             flood covered every mountain over the whole earth

                (Gen.7:19,21), we should remember that the Bible often

                   speaks of the known world as the whole world.

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      C. But these same arguments can overturn other Bible truths.

          1) One commentator on Kellers book showed the dangers of

                his logic by arguing facetiously:


             Applying that approach, let me lay out my own assumptions

                 regarding the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

              I believe Christs resurrection happened, but that it

                 was a spiritual resurrection, not a physical and

                    bodily resurrection.


             On the one hand, those who insist on it being a physical

                 and bodily resurrection seem to ignore too much the

                    scientific evidence that there can be no such thing.

              On the other hand, those who insist that it was a legend

                 seem to ignore too much the trustworthiness of the

                    Scripture.

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          2) I myself would like to think the flood was localized

                because it is easier to line up with science.

              a) But I can see the dangers if this approach is extended.

              b) When the Bible and Science conflict, you cannot always

                    side with Science.

                  1> What is a solid theory today might be discarded

                        tomorrow.

                  2> The same can be said of some Bible interpretations.

          3) Another great scientist agrees with me.


             Our own Jonathan Sloane will soon have a doctorate in

                astro-physics from Rutgers University.

             I asked him how he handled this issue and he wrote me:


             Interpreting the Bible is difficult in many places.

             I personally do not believe that the Bible is entirely

                literal.

             For example, it is my opinion that the creation of the

                universe took more than 168 hours.

             [Actually, only 144 since he did the creating in 6 days.]

             I also believe that God could have created the universe

                in a moment should He have chosen.


             I believe that Christ literally died and came back to life.

             (I believe in the omnipotence of God and so I am open to

                 miracles which break the laws that He set for the

                    universe.)


             Once we allow that some of the Bible is not literal, and

                some of it is literal, it can be difficult to draw the

                   line.

             It is my approach to assume the Bible is literally true as

                much as is possible.

             Where I feel forced to take something as figurative, I do.

             I think it is very important to recognize that I might be

                 wrong about anything that I take to be figurative.  [4]


VI. Like Christianity, Science is a quest for truth.

      A. Science grows out of the Judeo-Christian worldview.

          1) Nature has been created with rules.

          2) By studying nature, we can know more about God.

              a) Psalm 19:1 says, The heavens declare the glory of

                    God, the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

              b) Romans 1:20 says, For since the creation of the

                    world Gods invisible qualities ... have been

                       clearly seen, being understood from what

                          has been made...


      B. Science is self-correcting.

          1) Science is always adjusting itself to new knowledge.

              a) Old laws may be found to be false, or to need

                    tweaking.

              b) Even laws that have been accepted for centuries

                    can be modified or even rejected.

          2) Christianity should have the same attitude.

              a) We have to keep studying the Bible and keep

                    asking questions.

              b) There is more to know about God than we comprehend

                    right now.


      C. We cant answer every question on this issue, but we can believe.

          1) We can commit ourselves to what we know now.

          2) Submit your mind to God.

          3) Submit your heart to him as well.



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SOURCES FOR ILLUSTRATIONS USED IN THIS SERMON:


Portions of this sermon were adapted from my message The God of Science

preached on July 26, 2015.


1. Grand Canyon Gives In to Creationist Suing for Religious

      Discrimination, by Sarah Zhang, July 3, 2017; <link>.


2. Scientists Detect Evidence of Oceans Worth of Water in Earths Mantle,

      by Andrew Williams, Astrobiology Magazine, August 21, 2014; <link>.


3. Re: does the text of Noahs Flood, not require us to believe that all

      humanity was wiped away? by Stephen E. Jones, November 25, 2007;

      <link>.


4. Email from Jonathan Sloane on July 27, 2017.


#65890  Was Noah's Flood World-Wide Or Regional? by Rachel Miller,

           January 11, 2012; <link>.

           Quote is from Tim Keller, Genesis: What Were We Put in the

           World to Do? [New York: Redeemer Presbyterian Church, 2006],81).

           Response is by Eileen on January 12, 2012.


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